Recent，Chinese -style modernization and global development international seminar held at Nankai University。French Higher Institute of Social Sciences Higher Institute of Modern China Research Center、Expert Francois Saban () and a professor at the School of Ethnology and Sociology, Yunnan University、Yin Shaoting, a librarian in the Cultural History Museum of Yunnan Province，In the "Chinese -style Modernization and Human Civilization New Form" Parallel Branch forum, its latest research results。In the tide of civilized exchanges and mutual learning，How to promote cross -disciplinary research through international academic dialogue and cooperation? How to on the basis of the existing knowledge system，Explore new academic growth points，Use a new method、Open new fields? Take the above question，Our reporter invited two scholars of Francois Sa Ban and Yin Shaoting，Based on their own research experience to share their views。Both scholars said，Only break the language、Information、Space、Disciplines and other barriers，Promoting academic exchanges and cooperation，Only to promote anthropology、Nationalology、History、Museums and other multi -disciplines cross and fusion，New form of study of humanities and social sciences、New pursuit。

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　　"China Social Sciences": Please introduce your research field，and what issues are the most concerned at the moment。

Sa Ban:Thank you very much for the invitation of the "China Social Sciences" for interviews。Professor Yin Shaoting mentioned on the "Chinese -style Modernization and Human Civilization New Form" Parallel Sub -Forum.，The combination of history and anthropology to study diet will definitely be very interesting。Over the years，I have been studying the history of anthropology about diet。In the early stages of research，I focus on the dietary history of France and Italy，and from cooking classics、Food Classic、Start of precious documents such as diet history and ancient books of agricultural books。At that time，The academic world has not regarded food history as an intellectual inquiry，Do not recognize it is a scientific research field，But I still feel enthusiastic about eating history，and insist on the original position with your colleagues。But，Many people around me sneered at my research topics，I think the history of diet is boring，Too ordinary，Pay attention to the material level，There is nothing worthy of deep dug "food culture" content。Questions about the outside world，We gave it back。

Research on the history of Italy and France after a period of time，I hope to study the history of diet within the scope of Chinese history。After all, I am also a Sinologist，Active dictionary compilation training，and I have been engaged in the compilation of the Chinese French Bet365 lotto review dictionary for 14 years。After obtaining a doctorate in Chinese Dictionary，I decided to change my academic research perspective，Putting the linguistic interest on the side，Instead of studying diet -related disciplines，Start with the vocabulary of cooking technology。My first article in the field of food research is the "cooking concept" about Chinese food。At that time, I did not become a real historian，Lack of research perspective of Chinese historians。but but，Dictionary compilation work is a good preliminary training for me to do historical research，Make my thinking more rigorous，Explanation is more accurate。

1979，I stayed in Taiwan, China for 6 months，How to cook Chinese food at a cooking school in Taipei。During this period，I also study ancient Chinese，Analysis of an ancient Chinese diet and dietary classics- "Drinking Righteousness"。"Drinking Rights" has attracted widespread attention in the Japanese Chinese school，Several scholars have been studying this literature。Since the literature contains a large number of linguistic knowledge points，For example, Arabic and Mongolian language, etc.，Therefore, some linguists also attach great importance to it。I published a paper on the first volume of the journal "Food and Foodways" published in 1986.，Discussion of the general value of the famous recipes contained in "Drinking Righteousness"。I think，These recipes show Europe、Arabia、The international fashion reflected in the diet and taste of the royal family and court of the Yuan Dynasty。

In short,，I deeply realize，Only learn to cook Chinese food，can you understand the knowledge in dietary literature。Chinese food cooking exercises help me later to study food preparation.，I call it "daily life technology" and "material culture"。At that time, the academic community did not have an optimistic attitude in this field of research，The situation is very different now，Many people are committed to studying the history of technology and the history of "daily life technology"。

Since then，I read a lot of literatures for writing the history of Chinese food，Among them, "Qi Min Yao Shu", "Drinking Righteousness" and other similar ancient books。In "Qi Min Yao Shu"，I found an important record of breast breeding such as cattle and sheep，Among them, it describes the technology of milk and transforming milk into various products (especially fermented milk and butter) technology。These records indicate，As early as the 6th century China, China has the technology and tradition of making dairy products。I was invited by the Institute of Human Sciences, Kyoto University, Japan，Go to Japan for related topic research，Published a French paper in a foreign language journal published by the Institute of Humanities Science, Kyoto University in Kyoto University，Discussion specifically explored the history of milk in ancient China。

Yin Shaoting: Professor Saban and I have a fate。10 years ago，Institut des Hautes ETUDES Chinoises，Now China Research Center, China Research Center) invited me to visit France。Let's meet with Professor Saban，I discussed the problems in the history and farming culture together。

Chinese human academic Bet365 app download circles have a close communication with France，The source is also deeper。Yunnan University originally had a Professor Yang Yan，He studied in France in his early years，After returning to China, I have been teaching anthropology at Yunnan University for a long time，Is an veteran in the humanistic community in my country。Another，Yunnan Human Academy communicated more with the French anthropological community in the 1980s，Mutual visits of scholars on both sides，We also recommend a number of students to study in France。

My first visit to France was in 1998，The invitation of Henry de Lumley, the director of the National Natural History Museum of France。At that time, I also worked in museum work，Examination of dozens of museums in France，left me a deep impression。Through that inspection travel，I compared the differences between the Chinese Museum and the French Museum，A lot of gains。To cultivate talents，I also sent a few students to study in France，Mr. Derlan Merry is happy to receive my graduate student and personally guide，Now there are students staying there。2013，French Sinology Institute invited me to visit。The director of the French Institute of Sinology at the time was Eric Trombert，He is also a master of studying Dunhuang。During the visit，My French colleague from the Institute discussed the name of the Chinese entry of the multi -language dictionary compiled by the center。Tong Yan also arranged and accompanied me to the Normandy area for inspection，At that time, the Memorial Activity of the Normandy Battle Campaign，Local museums will hold a series of cultural lectures，So I invited me to make a report，I introduced the protection of the Chinese cultural heritage，The audience is very interested。After the lecture is over，I accepted an interview with a French journalist。Ending the trip to Normandy，I saw the French "Western Daily" published on the France's "Western News" on the train back to Paris，Occupy 1/4 version of the length。In Paris，Some French museum peers proposed to co -organize exhibitions on Chinese farming culture and French farming culture，I recommend this cooperation project to the relevant parties after returning to China。

From the perspective of anthropology，Although the Chinese and French countries have their own traditions and characteristics，But the basic theoretical theory is similar。Turkan、Moss、Levy Strauss and other French scholars made outstanding contributions to anthropology and sociology。I am engaged in anthropology research，At the same time, do the protection of museums and cultural heritage。I went to France in 1998，UNESCO proposes to cooperate with China to organize a minority clothing technical inheritance training course。I submitted a report to the relevant parties after returning to China，After being approved，This project is hosted by Yunnan University I taught。June to July 2000，We held the "Middle of nearly a hundred scholars and students at home and abroad in Yunnan、Old、Thai、Yuemiao/Mongolian clothing production traditional technical inheritance international study class "。Many French human scholars attend the event，Most Bet365 app download of the female scholars。This cooperation is very successful，We edited and published two training inspection reports as project results。

I just listened to Professor Saban Introduction of Academic Experience，For example, your research on Chinese food，How do you closely combine anthropology and history research，I feel very distinctive。Professor Saban is not engaged in anthropology research，The connotation of food history and the characteristics of historic interdisciplinary。This can be seen，Research on interdisciplinary research is very important，Chinese academic circles also advocate ecology、Nationalology、cross -fusion of disciplines such as history。About this，China and France have common pursuits and orientation。Food is the core question of human survival，It is also the core question for human contact with nature。but but，China's research in food still needs to be further strengthened，So，We look forward to reading more works by Professor Saban and peers。

"New forms of Chinese -style modernization and human civilization" is a major issue facing Chinese humanities and social sciences including anthropology。The college of the School of History of Nankai University "is true but new、For the use of "for decades of academic pursuit。Humanities and social science research desires to contribute to Chinese -style modernization，Then you have to seek truth from facts、Pioneering Innovation、Flating and penetrating、Application for it，Get more effort in applications。From the characteristics of the subject，Anthropology、The desire to contribute to the development of contemporary society，It is necessary。Only strive to discover and organize inheritance and innovation and traditional knowledge、Traditional culture，Vigorously protect and promote cultural heritage，Deep dug and activate traditional knowledge、Traditional Culture and Cultural Heritage，Use the modernity it contains，Make it and real society development、People's needs、improvement of people's livelihood、Combination of national policy，Anthropology、Ethnicology will be more valuable and meaningful。

In the modernization process of China，The state has formulated a series of grand strategy to lead the development of the whole nation，Rulous Rural Revitalization、Ecological civilization construction, etc.。This is an important connotation of China's modern construction，It is also an important goal of the construction of human civilization。This era background，It is conducive to the communication and integration of my country's academic circles。For example，The state has promoted the construction of ecological civilization to the height of the development strategy，attracted ecology、Environmentalology、History、Follow the disciplines such as anthropology，Promoting the communication of each discipline、blending。Another example，"Casting the Awareness of the Chinese Nation Community" once proposed，Various branches from anthropology and ethnicology (politics anthropology、Economic anthropology and symbolic anthropology) spontaneously discuss this issue。Scholars in various fields explain bet365 Play online games "Chinese -style modernization" from multiple perspectives，Reaches mutual inspiration、Learn each other、​​Effects of long -term and supplementary shortcomings。After integrated and integrated，Academic value and significance increase to a new height。Of course，This new weather is just the first sight，It is time to form a climate。On this forum，Mr. Cao Xingsui mentioned，Five years later, China's agriculture will be intelligent，Although this view is yet to be discussed，But it is undeniable that it is，With the rapid development of society and technology，Scholars and universities are facing challenges。If anthropology and ethnics do not keep up with the times，Also adheres to the original thing，Repeat the original theory，Academic research must be outdated。

Chinese anthropology in the new period、Ethnicology should be human science、A contribution of national science，The pulse of the times will be closely linked，Earnestly study the modern meaning of traditional culture，Tightly combining tradition and modern，Constantly pioneering and innovation。The same is true to promote food -related research。Chinese farming culture has created brilliant、Extreme food culture。Now the era has changed，Can the food culture created during the farming society can adapt to the development of modernization，Can it meet the people's growing demand for a better life，Can you create a better food culture in the new era，These are issues we need to consider。Because of the new crown epidemic in these years，I rarely contact French friends，I hope we will strengthen communication and communication in the future，Jointly promote the development of anthropology and ethnicology。

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"China Social Sciences": What challenges have your current research field encountered? How do you evaluate the future development of this field?

Sa Ban:We are the first scholars engaged in food history research in France and Italian academic circles。Scholars in mainland Europe have founded many related journals，I contributed to the founding of the first food research journal "Food and Diet"。After that，British and auxiliary scholars have also established a series of journals。，Under the guidance of the French government agency，Established an important institution composed of 400 food researchers from all over the world in 2001，The EUROPEAN Institute for Food History and Cultures。Many foreign students who want to engage in dietary history research come here to visit，Injects fresh vitality into the booming development of this field。

Later，Different differences in the field of food history，Especially American academic circles。Food research in the United States is more developed，But the academic spirit and academic position of the American and European scholars are completely different。Many American studies are mixed with "political" ingredients，For example, the eating habits of improving modern society。For me，This is not an academic research in the real sense，Instead, use food topics to achieve another purpose。

Very true，Many American scholars' food research results are very excellent，But they know nothing Bet365 app download about the study of European scholars。Most American scholars only speak English，Don’t understand other languages。I think，Research in the field of humanities and social sciences，The ability to read literature other than English。English is very helpful for academic work，But if scholars cannot contact the academic world outside Anglo -Saxon，English will also limit its academic development。The Institute of Food History and Culture of the European Food History holds various large -scale seminars every year，Attract scholars from all over the country to participate。But，The current seminar almost only speaks English，No more French。This is the current environment，You must speak English，Publish your own research results in English，No one speaks with French anymore。I don’t want to be too pessimistic，After all, French scholars have completed a lot of milestones，From Italy、Germany、Scholars from European countries such as Poland also wrote a large number of related papers around dietary documents、Books and publications。

I think，Food is a culture; it is food culture，even more diet civilization。But，Many people only use food as a tool for understanding social facts。This approach has played a certain role，But if you do not explore the cultural connotation and food civilization contained in food，Just treat food as a means to understand social phenomena，People often only draw superficial conclusions。Only compare the different food culture in the world，We can understand the concepts such as "farmers culture" more deeply。I think，People around the world have a lot of common points in doing things and thinking。This is very interesting。Food researchers' work should be to let the whole world realize，People’s life and eating habits cannot be ignored。

Thank you "China Social Sciences" for giving me the opportunity to see Mr. Yin Shaoting again，Listen to his wonderful speeches and comments。

Yin Shaoting: An important level of my research on anthropology and ethnic science is the museum。The National Museum in Yunnan is China's first large provincial ethnic museum，It is also a national museum，I participated in its preparation。Later, we established another anthropology museum at Yunnan University，Create several rural museums in the countryside。Louvre, France、Human Museum and other museums are very famous。Actually，Dialogue and communication between museums between China and France also a lot。I visit France twice，Both use museums as inspections。The earliest ecological museum in the world was born in France and Norway，So when I go to France for inspection，Proposal to visit the Ecological Museum，The receptionist arranges me to a mountain village near Nice。Although it is located in remote，There is a good ecological museum in the mountain village，It also attracted artists from 13 countries to stay here。One of the Guangdong painters in China introduced the situation of the village and its operation museum、Opening cultural activities、The concept and experience of developing tourism，etc.。

The earliest ecological museum in China is in Guizhou，Su Donghai, a member of the expert group bet365 live casino games of the Museum of Cultural Heritage Bureau, combined France、Norway's experience and China's local situation。So，We are also thinking，How to make the museum a platform for improving the awareness of public cultural protection and ecological environment。We have selected 5 villages in Yunnan to build a national cultural ecological village。Considering that some locals feel strange to the concept of the Ecological Museum，So we adopted a form of change，Replace the "Ecological Museum" with "Cultural Ecological Village"。

China Development Ecological Museum，Different Chinese and European countries must be considered。When the living standard reaches a certain height，People will have emotions such as nostalgia and nostalgia，I am also willing to save the past things。Some villages in China are committed to developing the economy，Sometimes the consciousness of preserving cultural heritage is sometimes weak。So，China cannot fully apply French and Norwegian ecological museum experience，Can't do it completely created and developed by locals。In the past 10 years，Yunnan's cultural ecological village project is increasingly perfect，Protecting rural culture、Protect the ecological environment、Tightly combined with national economic development and achieved certain results，It plays a certain demonstration role。

Just listened to Professor Saban introduced food culture，Actually China's anthropological community、There are also folk academic circles in the ethnic academic circles and have also achieved rich food research results。Perhaps it is due to language barriers，There are different research directions，Chinese and foreign academia lacks communication in food culture research。China is a long -established big country，It is also a material culture、Intangible cultural heritage is extremely rich and profound country，Food culture is the same，Current research、Dialogue and cooperation are very available。This forum let us roughly know the research overview of each other，I hope that there will be a chance to communicate in depth in the future。、